tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post4034831606330995217..comments2023-10-31T11:32:53.788+00:00Comments on PSICOLARANJA: 4 milhões por 490 milhões...Paulo Colaçohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04712992313269304138noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-15807822299116584042008-06-17T08:40:00.000+01:002008-06-17T08:40:00.000+01:00Eu não comprava bilhete...Eu sou pacífico!Eu não comprava bilhete...<BR/>Eu sou pacífico!jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-7273913515928440432008-06-17T03:57:00.000+01:002008-06-17T03:57:00.000+01:00Guilherme, estás formalmente convidado para a próx...Guilherme, <BR/>estás formalmente convidado para a próxima refeição plenária do Psico.<BR/><BR/>(Cheira-me que vai ser divertido assistir ao combate GDB Vs JFD ao vivo hiihih)Paulo Colaçohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04712992313269304138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-89181332277339642952008-06-16T16:02:00.000+01:002008-06-16T16:02:00.000+01:00Desculpa...Onde, nesse contexto, chamei as massas ...Desculpa...<BR/>Onde, nesse contexto, chamei as massas de burras? :P<BR/><BR/>E atenção, o erro do sim não é o meu erro!<BR/>O meu erro é o meu erro, o erro do sim é o erro do sim.<BR/>Eu represento a minha posição e as que assumo.jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-6629440359896399362008-06-16T14:34:00.000+01:002008-06-16T14:34:00.000+01:00LOL Respira rapaz...Não é uma questão de "conversa...LOL Respira rapaz...<BR/><BR/>Não é uma questão de "conversa que não é tua" mas sim, das discussões que temos tido, a tua argumentação com quem não concordas: "ah e tal votaram não, são mal agradecidos" e depois de alguma conversa são promovidos a "egoistas" ;)<BR/><BR/>O erro do sim foi não ter explicado convenientemente o tratado com a desculpa "é complexo demais para as massas". Dizer "Ah uma boa ideia" à ideia francesa de novo referendo "até acertarem no quadrado 'certo'" faz lembrar tacticas comunistas de bater a malta pelo cansaço...<BR/><BR/>Citando-te: a Irlanda votou não? "Live with it!"... Pára 5 segundos e explica o tratado ao "comum dos mortais", pois se calhar as massas não são assim tão "burras" como tu pensas ;)Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-57378926356750172822008-06-16T14:28:00.000+01:002008-06-16T14:28:00.000+01:00Desnecessário.Tou em conferência com a Professora ...Desnecessário.<BR/>Tou em conferência com a Professora de projeco. Há duas horas. Por não te poder dar a resposta de jeito e com tempo que mereces, sou rotulado?<BR/><BR/>Ainda por cima com uma conversa que nem é tua.<BR/><BR/>Enfim.jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-57165021379934192832008-06-16T12:55:00.000+01:002008-06-16T12:55:00.000+01:00Ser europeista também implica viver com opiniões c...Ser europeista também implica viver com opiniões contrárias à tua, JFD... eu sei que custa ;)Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-7223890935618394722008-06-16T12:42:00.000+01:002008-06-16T12:42:00.000+01:00Então pronto, são egoístas! ;)))Agora a sério. Me...Então pronto, são egoístas! ;)))<BR/><BR/>Agora a sério. Merecia melhor resposta. Mas a única coisa que tenho na cabeça agora é wacc, beta, val e tir ;)jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-77352551969485818562008-06-16T12:03:00.000+01:002008-06-16T12:03:00.000+01:00Para mim JFD, ser europeista não éaceitar a "face ...Para mim JFD, ser europeista não éaceitar a "face value" tudo o que Bruxelas quer...<BR/><BR/>Ser Europeista é reconhecer que, quando discutidas as coisas a malta se entende - vide um continente com seculos de "pratica" a tratar as coisas pelo modo mais violento possivel consegue 50 anos de "milagre económico e social". <BR/><BR/>Projectos de união pela força ou pela secretaria já tivemos muitos na nossa história. Por exemplo, o equilibrio politico europeu criado no Congresso de Viena, após as guerra napoleonicas, por Metternich. Também garantiu quase 50 anos de paz eurobpeia, aprovada pelos "lideres" da altura. Pelo meio tiveste a revolução industrial inglesa e o "boom" económico da unificação da Alemanha sob Bismark... pelo menos até 1848, quando um pouco por toda a Europa "revoluções liberais" começam a eclodir: as pessoas sentiam-se alheadas de todo o processo e exigiam 'democracia' e 'direitos', pela força se fosse preciso...<BR/><BR/>Essa é a herança da UE: ter reunido 490 milhões discutindo as coisas, tentando criar pontes entre cada um dos povos - cada um diferente e com motivações diferentes. Ter conseguido o que desce Carlos Magno se sonhou: uma europa unida - que é diferente de "unificada" ;)<BR/><BR/>Não é, como alguns de voçês pretendem "colar", ser 'federalista'!Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-71902874153536355082008-06-16T11:51:00.000+01:002008-06-16T11:51:00.000+01:00LOL Obrigado pelo elogio...Mas ainda quanto ao "ma...LOL Obrigado pelo elogio...<BR/><BR/>Mas ainda quanto ao "mal agradecidos", já pensaste que se calhar não são tanto? Se calhar são tão agradecidos à UE e ao seu desenvolvimento que querem que ela permaneça como está? ;)<BR/><BR/>Outra grande falacia do argumento do "mal agradecido": desculpa, lá por nos termos desenvolvido com a ajuda da UE isso quer dizer que somos obrigados a passar cheques em branco?<BR/><BR/>Então a conversa toda da "solidariedade e ajuda entre estados" é treta, não? Na verdade, quando eu me desenvolvo com a UE, em troca em "entrego o meu espirito critico" a Bruxelas? Que raciocinio é este?Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-62419223066713270572008-06-16T11:33:00.000+01:002008-06-16T11:33:00.000+01:00É verdade Guilherme!Cá estou eu (de novo) no limbo...É verdade Guilherme!<BR/>Cá estou eu (de novo) no limbo ;)<BR/>Mas nem tanto ao mar nem tanto à terra.<BR/>Continuam a ser mal agradecidos! Principalmente os abstencionistas.<BR/><BR/>E confesso que se pessoa houvesse que eu tinha a certeza que iria gostar do meu comentário, serias tu Guilherme. És um excelente comentarista!<BR/><BR/>E sim Salgado! A palavra existe ;)))<BR/><BR/><I>s. 2 gén., <BR/>aquele que comenta;<BR/><BR/>comentador ou comentadora.</I>jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-27425800465235020502008-06-16T11:21:00.000+01:002008-06-16T11:21:00.000+01:00Curioso que aqueles 4 milhões de "mal agradecidos"...Curioso que aqueles 4 milhões de "mal agradecidos" puseram-nos finalmente a pensar... até tu começas a admitir que o tratado tem de ser discutido e não, como se tencionava, passado pela secretaria da retificação parlamentar!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Sinceramente, espero que os dirigentes europeus não tentem repetir a "manobra de Nice", pois se o fizerem mercerem ter um Não ainda maior enfiado pela goela!<BR/><BR/><I>Nevertheless, I regret its demise. I am a European federalist, and the Treaty of Lisbon would have represented a small further step towards a federal Europe.</I> <BR/><BR/>Eu por exemplo não sou Federalista, e gostava de ter algum voto na matéria - mesmo que seja para perder... mas tive voto na matéria ;)Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-61718657900604893402008-06-16T10:15:00.000+01:002008-06-16T10:15:00.000+01:00Pronto, vá lá;No point moaning that 4 million Iris...Pronto, vá lá;<BR/><BR/><I>No point moaning that 4 million Irish cannot be permitted to thwart the will of 490 million other Europeans. That argument is bogus and dangerous, even if the 8 remaining EU member states that have not yet reached a formal decision on the Lisbon Treaty were to ratify it - something that is by no means a done deal. The rules for ratification of the Treaty were clear. To change the rules when you are losing is a violation of the rule of law. Respect for the rule of law is even more important than the fate of the Lisbon Treaty.</I><BR/><BR/>Sorrio a esta;<BR/><I><BR/>The Lisbon Treaty had all the charm and appeal of the Manhattan Yellow Pages: the Consolidated versions of the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the<BR/>European Union, plus Protocols, Annexes and Declarations runs to 392 pages.</I><BR/><BR/>E concordo com esta a 10.000%;<BR/><BR/><I>The logic of border-crossing externalities and border-crossing economies of scale for the above-mentioned policy areas is so blatantly obvious(...)</I><BR/><BR/>O choque que ele evidencia entre Nice e Lisboa, deixa-me apreensivo.<BR/>E leva-me a render ao argumento de que as coisas têm de ser discutidas. Mas temos de ser parte activa neste processo. E não reclamar, reclamar e reclamar...jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-15909445255808034172008-06-16T10:09:00.000+01:002008-06-16T10:09:00.000+01:00Aqui está uma opinião interessante...De Willem H. ...Aqui está uma opinião interessante...<BR/><BR/>De Willem H. Buiter<BR/>Professor of European Political Economy, London School of Economics and Political Science; former chief economist of the EBRD, former external member of the MPC; adviser to international organisations, governments, central banks and private financial institutions.<BR/><BR/>»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»<BR/><STRONG>It wouldn’t be Nice if the Irish had voted for Lisbon</STRONG><BR/><BR/>The voters of the Republic of Ireland have rejected the Lisbon Treaty (officially the Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community) in the referendum held on June 12. According to the rules of the EU, as found in the Nice Treaty, this means that the Lisbon Treaty cannot come into effect, as the unanimous ratification of the Treaty by all EU member states is required for this.<BR/><BR/>No point moaning that 4 million Irish cannot be permitted to thwart the will of 490 million other Europeans. That argument is bogus and dangerous, even if the 8 remaining EU member states that have not yet reached a formal decision on the Lisbon Treaty were to ratify it - something that is by no means a done deal. The rules for ratification of the Treaty were clear. To change the rules when you are losing is a violation of the rule of law. Respect for the rule of law is even more important than the fate of the Lisbon Treaty.<BR/><BR/>The Lisbon Treaty had all the charm and appeal of the Manhattan Yellow Pages: the Consolidated versions of the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty on the Functioning of the<BR/>European Union, plus Protocols, Annexes and Declarations runs to 392 pages. Trying to read it is like having root canal work done without the benefit of novocaine. Nevertheless, I regret its demise. I am a European federalist, and the Treaty of Lisbon would have represented a small further step towards a federal Europe. Now that process has suffered a setback and precious years will be lost in the swamp of European nation state irrelevance.<BR/><BR/>It is, however, important that the death of the Lisbon Treaty is acknowledged in Brussels and in the national capitals that favoured the Treaty. Trying to achieve a resurrection of Lazarus for the Lisbon Treaty by telling the Irish people: “keep on voting till you get it right”, would be both contemptible and counterproductive. This tactic worked once, when the Irish voters rejected the Nice Treaty in May 2001, held another referendum in October 2002 and passed the Treaty on that occasion. It will not work again. If it were to be attempted, I am certain that many of those who did not vote this time, and quite a few of those who voted in support of the Treaty, would want to hold up two fingers in the direction of the would-be bullies of Brussels, Paris and other corners of the continent.<BR/><BR/>When the European Constitution (officially the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe) was rejected in referenda in France and the Netherlands in 2005, plan B was to bury the Constitution pro forma, but to resurrect it without substantive modifications as the Lisbon Treaty (that, incidentally, is why the UK should have had a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, and ought to have one even now - the government had promised a referendum on the European Constitution; reneging on that commitment after changing the name of the Treaty but nothing of substance, is dishonourable). Plan B has now back-fired. Both the form and the substance of the European Constitution are now dead. There is no plan B for the Lisbon Treaty (or plan C for the Constitution).<BR/><BR/>So what will happen? The EU will muddle on with the Nice Treaty. It has not led to gridlock thus far. It will not lead to gridlock in the future. Certainly, many of its institutional arrangements and decision-making bodies and procedures are ill-designed for an EU of 27 members.<BR/><BR/>I am sure love will find a way. There will be informal institutional adaptations and a proliferation of constitutional ‘common law’, born out of practice. The UK has evolved its largely unwritten constitution in exactly this manner. We have already seen it with the Eurogroup, the ministers of finance of the 15 full EMU members, which has taken over most of the power and many of the functions of Ecofin, the ministers of finance of the 27 EU members. There is no mention of the Eurogroup in any of the Treaties. The Lisbon Treaty would have been the first to officially recognise its existence. But it exists and it works. There will be many more such informal developments as the written Treaty arrangements and institutions become intolerable constraints on desirable actions an policies.<BR/><BR/>There will be a further impetus given to a multi-speed Europe (where every member state arrives at the same destination eventually, but not necessarily at the same time) and even to Europe-à-la-carte (where there may be permanent differences in the degree of integration along some dimensions). Of course already have a multi-speed Europe. Only 15 of the 27 EU members are also full members of the EMU. The rest have derogations from or, in the case of the UK and Denmark, opt-outs from the requirement to progress to the third stage for achieving economic and monetary union (to adopt the euro and join the Eurosystem). Indeed, with the opt-outs from stage 3 of EMU for the UK and Denmark, we already have a potential Europe-à-la-carte in the existing EU. Only 13 EU member states (plus Norway and Iceland) are part of the Schengen arrangement.<BR/><BR/>Enhanced cooperation<BR/><BR/>It is possible that a greater recourse to multi-speed Europe will be achieved through the enhanced cooperation arrangements. The Treaty of Amsterdam first brought the “enhanced cooperation” concept into the Treaty on European Union (in connection with regards judicial cooperation on criminal matters) and into the Treaty establishing the European Community (under the EC Treaty the initiative for enhanced cooperation is taken by the Commission at the request of the member states concerned; under the EU Treaty the initiative comes from the member states). In either case, enhanced cooperation is subject to a decision of the Council, acting by a qualified majority.<BR/><BR/>The Treaty of Nice introduced major changes. In particular, a Member State may not oppose the establishment of enhanced cooperation (except in the area of foreign policy). This matters because it removes the national veto over the enhanced cooperation proposals of other member states . Does this mean that if, say, 26 member states were to ratify the Lisbon Treaty, but Ireland did not, they could simply adopt the Lisbon Treaty for themselves and leave Ireland to potter along with the Nice Treaty?<BR/><BR/>If it ever were to come to that, the issue would no doubt end up in the European Court of Justice. I am not a lawyer, fortunately, but it seems unlikely that proceeding to create an EU of 26 countries under the Lisbon Treaty under the enhanced cooperation cloak would be compatible with the existing (Nice) Treaty. It also would not be Nice. According to the existing Treaties, enhanced cooperation may not constitute discrimination between the participating states and the other(s). Enhanced cooperation has to respect the single institutional framework of the Union. In addition, the actions and decisions taken under enhanced cooperation cannot become part of the EU acquis itself. (Less relevant, for the issue under consideration, is that enhanced cooperation must further the (Nice) Treaty objectives, must respect the whole of the acquis communautaire and the powers of the various parties, and may not apply to an area that falls within the exclusive competence of the Community).<BR/><BR/>There are further constraints on using the threat of enhanced cooperation by the member states that ratify the Lisbon Treaty as a stick to beat Ireland with. Enhanced cooperation does not allow extension of the powers as laid down by the existing Treaties. The general arrangements for enhanced cooperation require at least eight member states to be involved in enhanced cooperation (the arrangement must also remain open to any member state that wishes to participate). Also, while enhanced cooperation may involve the areas of the common foreign and security policy (CFSP), it cannot touch on military or defence matters, so the 26 could do nothing to threaten Ireland’s neutrality.<BR/><BR/>So the EU will muddle on, until events, dear boy, events will make it clear even to the most dedicated eurosceptic that there are a number of policy areas that can no longer be managed effectively even by the largest EU member state at the national level. For some of these, intergovernmentalism may suffice. Most, I would argue, require a supranational solution. For the UK and the other European nation states, the EU is the only currently available supranational solution framework.<BR/><BR/>The policy areas that will have to be transferred to the EU level include foreign policy, defence, immigration, environmental policy addressing border-crossing externalities like global warming, energy security, monetary policy, financial regulation (a common framework and, for financial institutions with significant cross-border activities, a single regulator/supervisor), and policies towards tax havens and regulatory havens. No doubt I have left out a few.<BR/><BR/>The logic of border-crossing externalities and border-crossing economies of scale for the above-mentioned policy areas is so blatantly obvious, that even the English will eventually recognise it - the rest of the British do already. Perhaps not in my time. But here’s hoping!<BR/><BR/>June 14th, 2008 in www.ft.comjfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-79975018074276829662008-06-16T08:46:00.000+01:002008-06-16T08:46:00.000+01:00Este comentário foi removido pelo autor.jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-74887235113381491792008-06-16T07:56:00.000+01:002008-06-16T07:56:00.000+01:00Olha olha o Né com boas notícias! ;)))Olha olha o Né com boas notícias! ;)))jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-84806808272560661402008-06-16T06:00:00.000+01:002008-06-16T06:00:00.000+01:00Esqueci-me do link:http://ultimahora.publico.clix....Esqueci-me do link:<BR/><BR/>http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1332302Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-2149624104603346032008-06-16T05:58:00.000+01:002008-06-16T05:58:00.000+01:00Nem é cedo, nem é tarde:Hipótese de forçar novo re...Nem é cedo, nem é tarde:<BR/><BR/><I><B>Hipótese de forçar novo referendo na Irlanda ganha força</B><BR/><BR/>Um dia depois da bomba lançada sobre a União Europeia pela vitória do “não” no referendo irlandês ao Tratado de Lisboa, os líderes europeus não parecem dispostos a abandonar o documento que acordaram em Outubro passado e são cada vez mais os que admitem a hipótese de convencer Dublin a repetir a consulta.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-17807873245472815812008-06-15T03:11:00.000+01:002008-06-15T03:11:00.000+01:00A EXPO é fantástica!!!! Mete água por todo o lado!...A EXPO é fantástica!!!! Mete água por todo o lado!!!<BR/><BR/>Abraços, maltaEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12833874257600232532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-20980345793626280072008-06-15T00:07:00.000+01:002008-06-15T00:07:00.000+01:00Estou a tentar ler cerca de 250 comentários das úl...Estou a tentar ler cerca de 250 comentários das últimas 8 a 10 postas e voltei a esta, embora já aqui tenha deixado a minha opinião.<BR/><BR/>Vim apenas para subscrever uma nota do Guilherme:<BR/><BR/>« A Irlanda cresceu enquanto na UE, logo o crescimento irlandes em 100% devido à UE. Errado! Parte dele também é devido às opções politicas que ELES tomaram, e não a UE, no que diz respeito a politica fiscal, económica, laboral e educação... »Paulo Colaçohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04712992313269304138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-75438709850506753472008-06-14T16:50:00.000+01:002008-06-14T16:50:00.000+01:00;)));)))jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-25761876156820881452008-06-14T16:43:00.000+01:002008-06-14T16:43:00.000+01:00Deus já quis... acho que para justiça divina ja ch...Deus já quis... acho que para justiça divina ja chegou o resultado do referendo x)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-7381460682874383732008-06-14T14:55:00.000+01:002008-06-14T14:55:00.000+01:00Deus queira!Deus queira!jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-92025187743390337812008-06-14T14:49:00.000+01:002008-06-14T14:49:00.000+01:00porreiro pá!!um referendo, um chumbo... imaginem a...porreiro pá!!<BR/><BR/>um referendo, um chumbo... imaginem agora o que aconteceria com mais 26 referendos...<BR/><BR/>é o que acontece quando meia duzia de especialistas aprovam um tratado no lugar de milhoes de pessoas, sendo que ate alguns líderes ditos especialistas admitem nao entenderem o tratado na totalidade... ora se eles nao o entendem, e os eleitores também nao o entendem, qual a diferença entre ratificação por referendo e a ratificação através do parlamento? Uma coisa é verdade: possivelmente a aprovação no parlamento da mais garantias de carreiras de sucesso aos actuais líderes europeus!<BR/><BR/>Mas pessoal do sim, não se preocupem: de certeza que esta UE 100% democrática está já a planerar caminhos alternativos na secretaria para levar o tratado avante :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-51043314293091261232008-06-13T16:50:00.000+01:002008-06-13T16:50:00.000+01:00É uma grance chaticeeeeeeeeeeee!Quero ir pra Expo ...É uma grance chaticeeeeeeeeeeee!<BR/><BR/>Quero ir pra Expo Zaragoza de férias! Ver o mundo em 3 dias!jfdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04050626220937885606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34505251.post-59908475118286227962008-06-13T16:30:00.000+01:002008-06-13T16:30:00.000+01:00Pois é... complicado quando a decisão tomada é con...Pois é... complicado quando a decisão tomada é contrária à nossa "opinião"...<BR/><BR/>É chato ter decisões impostas por "chatos" com "bitolas contrárias à nossa", sejam eles 4 milhões de "irlandeses mal agradecidos", legisladores ou tribunais ;)Guilherme Diaz-Bérriohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715828301484177416noreply@blogger.com